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SkullKey Oct 12th 2008 12:01 pm

Taking A Flyer In RF: Brad Snyder.
 
I wonder what this says about the Cubs opinion of Kosuke's future as RF starter? The Cubs, on 22 September 2008, claimed Brad Snyder off waivers form Cleveland. They think enough of his potential that they added him to the 40 man roster and apparently going to see if he can put it together for 2009.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/pla...ayer_id=430957

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Snyder_(baseball)

Brad is a classic big, fast powerful kid with tremendous talents and a huge flaw. A classic Cubs prospect. He's listed at 6'3" and 200lbs. He has exceptional foot speed and a very good arm; he plays RF. His flaw is lack of contact and strikeouts. Here is the always very good Bob Sacramento's analysis:

" .....In other news the Cubs claimed Brad Snyder off of waivers from the Cleveland Indians and has stuck the lefty outfielder on the 40 man roster. The 2003 18th pick overall is out of options and must be protected, released, or exposed to waivers. If you donít know who Snyder is donít worry you are not alone, heís a 26 year old outfielder out of Ball State University. Coming into the 2003 draft though, Snyder was regard as one of the top outfield talents available (behind high schoolers Ryan Harvey, Delmon Young, Ryan Sweeney, Lastings Milledge, Chris Lubanski) and the top college outfielder (ahead of Matt Murton, Andre Either, David Murphy, and Carlos Quentin). At first Brad tore it up in the low level leagues; he was the Indians 8th best prospect in 2004, 4th best in 2005, 3rd best in 2006, and 8th best in 2007. Soon though his scouting report was out in that Brad was a poor hitter of advanced secondary pitches especially ones low and away. Snyder was once considered a legitimate five-tooler although that really hasnít clicked the way it was suppose to. His bat is still extremely powerful, his speed is exceptional, and he still plays great defense with a killer arm but his contact. His swing is long but is sweet and beautiful and he generates alot of bat speed. The biggest concerns surrounding Snyder are his plate discipline and contact skills. Snyder swings and misses ALOT, over the past several seasons heís development has been at a stalemate in that he just hasnít turned that corner on adjusting to his exposed weaknesses. In essence thatís a big reason why the Indians subjected him to waivers, that and they have plenty of prospects they would rather protect then a toolsy outfielder who just hasnít figured it out yet. The Cubs on the other hand have alot of dead weight on the 40 man roster that will be trimmed as well as departing free agents. As an organization, we are not that deep in outfield talent so we can afford to gamble on a prospect with all the tools that just hasnít sparked. ..... "

Well spoken as always Bob.

http://www.cubshub.com/?p=1040#more-1040

A big, fast, strong-armed lefty hitting RF for the Cubbies ?!? Here's wishing Brad all the success in the world. Stats:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...d-Snyder.shtml

Bims Oct 12th 2008 12:31 pm

Snyder is worth taking a look at. He's got some pop with some speed to go along with it. He strikes out a ton and won't take many walks. He could be a cheap option off the bench next season.

Bockstock Oct 13th 2008 10:05 am

Really??

I would say the Cubs already have 2-3 better options than Snyder in the minors already, one of which (Kroeger) is unprotected so far for the Rule V draft.

Bims Oct 13th 2008 10:56 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bockstock (Post 68572)
Really??

I would say the Cubs already have 2-3 better options than Snyder in the minors already, one of which (Kroeger) is unprotected so far for the Rule V draft.

Yes really. Like I said he COULD be a cheap option off the bench next season. The Cubs are going to give him a shot. So either he makes it or not. No real risk for the Cubs here. He's a former 1st round pick with plenty of natural talent. ..... Kroeger is a career minor leaguer. Arizona gave him a shot and he wasn't very impressive. He also wasn't impressive enough for Philadelphia to keep him around. Kroeger is a AAAA player. Snyder hasn't been great in the minors. But he still has that natural talent. With his speed, pop, and defense he has a shot at making the team next season.

Bockstock Oct 13th 2008 12:31 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bims (Post 68573)
Kroeger is a career minor leaguer. Arizona gave him a shot and he wasn't very impressive. He also wasn't impressive enough for Philadelphia to keep him around. Kroeger is a AAAA player. Snyder hasn't been great in the minors. But he still has that natural talent. With his speed, pop, and defense he has a shot at making the team next season.

LOL ARizona gave him a shot when he was 22.

Kroeger's had much more succes at higher levels than Snyder and is younger. What exactly makes Kroeger a career minor leaguer and Snyder major league 'bench-material'??

Would you consider Hoffpauir a 'career minor leaguer when he put up a .663 OPS at iowa when he was 25??

Kroeger
Age - 25
2008 - AAA .887
2007 - AAA .812
AA 1.012

Snyder - 26
2008 - AAA ..723 OPS
2007 - AAA .803 OPS

I'm not exactly sure why Kroeger is sure-fire 'career minor leaguers' when he's put up better # than Snyder, including adjusted OPS, and has much better BB and K rates, which don't mean much in the majors, but are very indicative of a players future abilities in the majors.

IMO Snyder is more indicative of minor league filler (Doug Deeds, etc). This way the Cubs can have the oldest AA/AAA teams so they can continue to rack up AA and AAA championships.

TrueBlueCubFan Oct 13th 2008 2:14 pm

Synder's a low risk, possible high reward type move. At worst, he's a AAA roster filler for 09'.

Look the Cardinals got LUCKY with Ryan Ludwick, maybe the Cubs can get lucky for once in the history of their organization.

Bockstock Oct 13th 2008 10:12 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueBlueCubFan (Post 68576)
Synder's a low risk, possible high reward type move. At worst, he's a AAA roster filler for 09'.

Look the Cardinals got LUCKY with Ryan Ludwick, maybe the Cubs can get lucky for once in the history of their organization.

Felix Pie, Jake Fox, Josh Kroeger...

These guys have all put up better numbers than Snyder and are at least the same age or a year or two younger. Fox's defense is suspect, but he has more pure power.

Snyder is 26 and still only slugged 420 and had almost a 5:1 K:BB ratio. If you're old for your level and your K:BB is that bad, chances are your best days are behind you.

We're probably arguing apples and oranges here, but we're talking about someone in Snyder who has a worse approach at the plate than Pie.

Bims Oct 13th 2008 10:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bockstock (Post 68575)
LOL ARizona gave him a shot when he was 22.

Kroeger's had much more succes at higher levels than Snyder and is younger. What exactly makes Kroeger a career minor leaguer and Snyder major league 'bench-material'??

Would you consider Hoffpauir a 'career minor leaguer when he put up a .663 OPS at iowa when he was 25??

Kroeger
Age - 25
2008 - AAA .887
2007 - AAA .812
AA 1.012

Snyder - 26
2008 - AAA ..723 OPS
2007 - AAA .803 OPS

I'm not exactly sure why Kroeger is sure-fire 'career minor leaguers' when he's put up better # than Snyder, including adjusted OPS, and has much better BB and K rates, which don't mean much in the majors, but are very indicative of a players future abilities in the majors.

IMO Snyder is more indicative of minor league filler (Doug Deeds, etc). This way the Cubs can have the oldest AA/AAA teams so they can continue to rack up AA and AAA championships.

First off Kroeger is 26 years old. ..... You've made my point for me. Kroeger has put up good numbers in the minors for 3 different organizations yet hasn't been called up since he was 22. That means the organizations he's been with see him as nothing more then a AAAA player. ..... Snyder has the natural talent. He has the upside. He has more pop, defense, and speed. Neither may make the Cubs. But Snyder has the better shot. ..... Once again relax with the numbers. For once try and make a point without using OPS.

Bockstock Oct 14th 2008 7:46 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bims (Post 68580)
Snyder has the natural talent. He has the upside. He has more pop, defense, and speed. Neither may make the Cubs. But Snyder has the better shot. ..... Once again relax with the numbers. For once try and make a point without using OPS.

Funny, people say the same things about Ryan Harvey.

Sorry, stats exist so we put a quantative value on phenomena that two people see differently. Besides they are the best predictor for future performance, not talk about tools or potentials.

I think his K:BB is the most important stat to look at. If he had consistent power it would be one thing. But he's struggling to make contact against AAA and doesn't really take alot of walks, combined with being old for his level with no power outside of a couple of seasons.

People are making Ryan Ludwick comparisons. Go to baseball reference or whatever and look at Ludwick's minor league numbers. He's consistently put up good numbers across the board, and probably should have been called up when he was with Texas.

Bims Oct 15th 2008 8:05 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bockstock (Post 68587)
Funny, people say the same things about Ryan Harvey.

Sorry, stats exist so we put a quantative value on phenomena that two people see differently. Besides they are the best predictor for future performance, not talk about tools or potentials.

I think his K:BB is the most important stat to look at. If he had consistent power it would be one thing. But he's struggling to make contact against AAA and doesn't really take alot of walks, combined with being old for his level with no power outside of a couple of seasons.

People are making Ryan Ludwick comparisons. Go to baseball reference or whatever and look at Ludwick's minor league numbers. He's consistently put up good numbers across the board, and probably should have been called up when he was with Texas.

Know one should be expecting Ryan Ludwick here. At most expect Angel Pagan. Will he make the team? Who knows. Does he have a shot? Sure.


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