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Old Jan 22nd 2008, 11:39 am
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why I dont mind trading our "future stars"

Most of the high draft choices the club has made recently have failed to blossom as hoped. Mark Prior and Corey Patterson stumbled after initial success, and players the franchise banked on such as Kevin Orie, Gary Scott, and first round busts Earl Cunningham, Ty Griffen, Drew Hall, Mike Harkey and Ben Christiansen lead a revolving door of players who made little if any splash at the big league level.

just looked up a few names of highly touted Cub farmhands, and found a few busts. This is why I cant really argue too much with them wanted to trade the farm for guys to help win now.

Sure, we have had one or two guys come through and establish themselves as a superstar (not for us anyway). Can anyone name the last player (other then Maddux) that the Cubs brought up in their system that has gone on to great success? Maybe Dontrell Willis, but he never played one inning for us.
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Old Jan 22nd 2008, 12:05 pm
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i forgot about Carlos Zambrano and Rich Hill. Cubs are good with pitching prospects. So let me rephrase

who is the last cubs POSITION prospect (non pitcher) to succeed
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You also forgot Marmol.
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I fully agree. I am not sure why the Cubs have guys who kill it in AA and AAA but cannot bring that talent to the bigs. Do you think that is an issue with the development in AA or AAA, a problem with managers (Lou and Dusty), or do the Cubs have minor leagers who don't have mental ability to handle the pressure of the bigs?

I would like to say, however, some guys have come to the bigs and have done well. But overall, I think the Cubs have a higher than average failure rate in bringing skilled minor league guys to the bigs.
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Let me get this straight. Your saying the Cubs should trade the better non-pitching prospects because over the last 15 years they haven't had much success? What about C. Patterson? He had a good year once. What about Ryan Theriot? Even if you don't think hes that good, he had success last season. What about K. Hill? He was pretty good. What about Soto?

I don't entirely disagree with you, but some of the failed players can be attributed to bad management and a lack of consistent playing time. Not to mention Dusty having a crush on any player over the age of 33.
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Let me get this straight. Your saying the Cubs should trade the better non-pitching prospects because over the last 15 years they haven't had much success? What about C. Patterson? He had a good year once. What about Ryan Theriot? Even if you don't think hes that good, he had success last season. What about K. Hill? He was pretty good. What about Soto?

I don't entirely disagree with you, but some of the failed players can be attributed to bad management and a lack of consistent playing time. Not to mention Dusty having a crush on any player over the age of 33.

If you re-read it, I mentioned how most have had a good year then basically have fallen off.

C. Patterson had one good year, then nosedived. Theriot had a decent year, but still hit about .260. Not great, but not bad for the first full year. K. Hill isnt exactly a prospect, and he wasnt ours to being with. He spent time the the D-backs and maybe another team before he was released. Soto doesnt even have a full season under his belt. It is far too early to judge them. They have looked good from what we have seen of them thus far, but its still too early to call them established stars. We have seen a long history of one year wonders, both from our farmsystem, via free agency, and via trade.

Am I saying they wont be great players, not at all. But with the recent success of our every day players, I wouldnt mind seeing some moved for a proven player who we know what we can expect. Theroit could hit his sophmore slump, adn if he hit .260 last year the slump will be worse. Soto will be playing full time in the majors next year. Can he have the same success now that teams have some tape on him? I hope so, I like this kid, as does almost all of Cubdom. But he is far from an established star.
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You also forgot Marmol.

Marmol had an outstanding year. But I want to see him do it atleast one more year before I can call him a stud. But he is knocking on that door
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In defense for Corey Patterson, who knows what he would have done had he not been injured in '03....I really think that's what set him back.
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i agree, in 03' he looked to be breaking out. He was set to be everything that we had hoped for. But his injury killed his career. He never fully came back from it. But in the end, he is just another name on the Cubs prospect bust list.

Again, can anyone name the last position player the Cubs drafted and develped that went on to a good career? Im serious here, I seriously cant think of one
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Again, can anyone name the last position player the Cubs drafted and develped that went on to a good career? Im serious here, I seriously cant think of one
MARK GRACE!

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-He has a nice website, i had never checked it out till just now.
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