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Old May 27th 2009, 9:06 pm
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he may not want to argue with a player i do not deny that, but the ump moved into Z what was he suppose to do just sit there and let him rub into him, of coarse hes going to brush him off, someone bumps into me im going to push them off of me, thats exactly what Z did!
Z is suppose to be act rationally. He should have been back on the mound, not in the umps face. What's the ump suppose to do, back away? Run and hide? The ump was where he was suppose to be. It's Big Z who was out of place. ANd the ump didn't initiate the contact, will you guys stop. He stood his place. Big Z was the one going back and forth, and in the umps face. I love how the person who was out of control, and arguing about a call that the ump correctly called is the victum. And the ump, the guy who was only doing his job, and had to deal with another grown mad getting in his face, is the villian. You guys need a little more perspective. I understand being a homer, and defending your guy. But Z was in the wrong here in every way.
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Old May 27th 2009, 9:13 pm
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did you miss the guy moving his body into him? i know its windy there in chicago, but not windy enough to move a man into another! Z was wrong on the call his right hand got in there and Morgan was safe, but i will stand the ump moved into Z forever watch the video and see, i do not think the ump was in the wrong at all, i agree Z maybe should grow up, but the movement was the ump to Z not the other way around,
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Old May 27th 2009, 11:00 pm
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did you miss the guy moving his body into him? i know its windy there in chicago, but not windy enough to move a man into another! Z was wrong on the call his right hand got in there and Morgan was safe, but i will stand the ump moved into Z forever watch the video and see, i do not think the ump was in the wrong at all, i agree Z maybe should grow up, but the movement was the ump to Z not the other way around,
The ump wasn't going into Z. He was just defending himself against the aggressor(Big Z). The ump has a right to verbalize his side when a player is in his face. If Big Z would have done what he was supposed to(go back to the mound) the altercation wouldn't have taken place.

I like Big Z's emotion. It shows that he cares. But todays actions weren't the result of a call. They were the result of a frustrating season thus far for both Big Z and the Cubs. Today he was out of line.

People have to remember that umpires NEVER want to argue a call. It's always the player/manager who initiates the argument. People act as if when an umpire has a grown man yelling in his face, that he's suppose to cower in a corner until the player is done overreacting. Umpire's can be spit on, yelled at, and bumped. But got forbid they ever stand up to the crybaby antics of overpaid adult men!
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I was just watching Final Score on ComcastSportsNet (a nationally syndicated nightly sports recap) and they showed that earlier in the game that Z had a "confrontation" in the dugout with Geo after one of his innings where he had the bases loaded....so perhaps Z's fire was already lit and the call with the upmire just ignited him. I do agree that the umpire did initiate the contact, and when Z pushed him off, the ump, rightfully so, ejected Z (rules are rules)... but I think where Z may have written his own suspension papers was his temper tantrum he threw after that by throwing the ball and throwing his glove....and then taking out the Gatorade dispenser.

Now that being said, I love his fire. I enjoy watching his passion (not when it goes to the point where we have to miss him for a start or two). I so much more enjoy watching him and his "zambranoisms" than when you see a guy get called out on a close play and just hang his head, shrug his shoulders and walk quietly away. If Lou isn't going to do something as far as getting this team fired up, you can see the guys trying to do it themselves with Lilly yesterday and Z today. However, they need to realize there is a line and DO NOT CROSS IT because then they are hurting the team rather than helping them. We may be losing Lilly AND Z soon because of them crossing that line.

Bims, you are right, they don't want confrontation.... and the umps are human... but he, too, could walk away instead of toward Z (especially knowing Z's temperment), but he walked toward him and brushed up against Z, which only added fuel to the fire.
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From the video, the HPU actually moved into Z to instigate the contact. I hope MLB sees the movement by the ump to only give Z fines for throwing the ball and his glove and suspend the ump for a couple weeks for unprofessional behavior.
Amen VanMan, good call - that is exactly how I feel.
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Yea sure , the umpire was the one being unprofessional. Not the player who was aggressively arguing a call that the ump got right. Sometimes we have to step back from the situation, and see it from both sides. The last thing the umpire wants to do is argue with a player. In this situation, the umpire got a very tough call CORRECT. The player starts yelling over the top, and getting in the umps face. And you think this is the umps fault? Come on, think a little.
Maybe you should turn into a White Sox fan because you clearly don't get it bro.

Cubs have been struggling BIG TIME, it is a close game (Cubs up by a run) and the runner scores on a VERY close play... naturally Big Z got upset and the umpire initiated contact. That is baseball.
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I think we are looking at a new team here. Last year we were the nice guys of baseball , outside of Z smacking Barret and Lee taking the sissy swing at young. We let Edgar Renteria smack Fontenot and did nothing about it. We would score runs early and lay back not put a beat down on other teams. I hope we get more aggressive with other teams too. I want to show no mercy , if we come across some pitcher we can light up , lets slam him and run up scores , even if it is stealing bases with a six run lead. Let us be the nasty team and kiss " The Lovable Cubs " goodbye.
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i agree LeeEila's i hope we start to play aggressive offense and not just sit back and barley win!
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You really don't think these umps like to see thier face on TV ?? In todays pop culture world it seems everyone is out for celebrity and I am convinced these Umps want to be known. It started with that fat bastard selling his stupid country music CDs.
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The ump wasn't going into Z. He was just defending himself against the aggressor(Big Z). The ump has a right to verbalize his side when a player is in his face. If Big Z would have done what he was supposed to(go back to the mound) the altercation wouldn't have taken place.
I like Big Z's emotion. It shows that he cares. But todays actions weren't the result of a call. They were the result of a frustrating season thus far for both Big Z and the Cubs. Today he was out of line.

People have to remember that umpires NEVER want to argue a call. It's always the player/manager who initiates the argument. People act as if when an umpire has a grown man yelling in his face, that he's suppose to cower in a corner until the player is done overreacting. Umpire's can be spit on, yelled at, and bumped. But got forbid they ever stand up to the crybaby antics of overpaid adult men!
What world do you live in ?????
Do you have an Umpire Alter that you pray to every morning ?? You really think umpires are infallible beings !
You expect Z to go back and shut up but the Ump is allowed to react to an injustice that he perceives?
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