Big Z

[VanMan]

Bims, you are absolutely WRONG about what an umpire is supposed to do, and what that umpire did. I used to umpire high school baseball games. We're told to try to not escalate arguments, rather prevent them. If a coach/manager charges after one of us, we're told to put a hand out in front of us and shout in a firm, forceful voice, "WHOA!" We're also to let the coach/manager say his piece as long as it doesn't get too personal. If he swears or instigates contact, then we can give him the heave-ho. Otherwise (at least in the high school level), we can warn him. If he gets out of line again or further, then he's gone. We are not told to manhandle or instigate contact with a player or coach/manager to cause an ejection.

What the video clearly showed in yesterday's game is the home-plate umpire leaned into Zambrano, which Zambrano instictively defended himself by brushing him off. Because of the defensive (not offensive) contact, Zambrano was shown the door. What that umpire should have done was stepped away from Zambrano, and then if Zambrano had gone after him, he would have been in the right to toss him. MLB should either reprimand or suspend that umpire for his actions. Zambrano, on the other hand, could either get a simple fine or a light suspension.

[TheBenjamin]

everyone but you Bims(including Brenly) said that the Ump bumped Z.

[Drockvb]

That was freaking hilarious. When he ejected the umpire i LOL'd.

Perfect timing for a tirade, if there is such a thing.

[Bockstock]

Originally Posted by Drockvb That was freaking hilarious. When he ejected the umpire i LOL'd. Perfect timing for a tirade, if there is such a thing.

I keep looking for a good video GIF of it.

[LeeEila's/rant]

Originally Posted by VanMan Bims, you are absolutely WRONG about what an umpire is supposed to do, and what that umpire did. I used to umpire high school baseball games. We're told to try to not escalate arguments, rather prevent them. If a coach/manager charges after one of us, we're told to put a hand out in front of us and shout in a firm, forceful voice, "WHOA!" We're also to let the coach/manager say his piece as long as it doesn't get too personal. If he swears or instigates contact, then we can give him the heave-ho. Otherwise (at least in the high school level), we can warn him. If he gets out of line again or further, then he's gone. We are not told to manhandle or instigate contact with a player or coach/manager to cause an ejection. What the video clearly showed in yesterday's game is the home-plate umpire leaned into Zambrano, which Zambrano instictively defended himself by brushing him off. Because of the defensive (not offensive) contact, Zambrano was shown the door. What that umpire should have done was stepped away from Zambrano, and then if Zambrano had gone after him, he would have been in the right to toss him. MLB should either reprimand or suspend that umpire for his actions. Zambrano, on the other hand, could either get a simple fine or a light suspension.

FANTASTIC !!! Thank you , It is good to hear from an umpire that has been trained !!

You being and umpire , do you also think that these guys , not just in the Cubs games but across all of baseball are interjecting themselves in the games more than ever before ?

[Bims]

Originally Posted by Jason Maybe you should turn into a White Sox fan because you clearly don't get it bro.

Yes the old "you aren't a fan" stance. Maybe you can't get it because you're a homer. Big Z needs to grow up and just go to the bench. He was wrong.
The ump made the right call.

[Bims]

Originally Posted by TheBenjamin everyone but you Bims(including Brenly) said that the Ump bumped Z.

I like Brenly. But he's a company man, so ofcourse he's going to take Z's side. It's not the literal bump i'm talking about. It's Z's actions of aggression. We expect ump's to cower to aggressive players coming their way. I'm glad the ump stood his ground. Watching adult men who make millions of dollars cry and complain when an ump made the right call gets old.

[Bims]

Originally Posted by LeeEila's/rant What world do you live in ????? Do you have an Umpire Alter that you pray to every morning ?? You really think umpires are infallible beings ! You expect Z to go back and shut up but the Ump is allowed to react to an injustice that he perceives?

Yeas, because no injustic was done to Big Z. The ump made the right call. Just shut up and go back to the mound, instead of making an ass of yourself.

But he didn't do that. He got an another adults face, and had a hissy fit. And we somehow expect that adult to sit there and take it?

[Bims]

Originally Posted by VanMan Bims, you are absolutely WRONG about what an umpire is supposed to do, and what that umpire did. I used to umpire high school baseball games. We're told to try to not escalate arguments, rather prevent them. If a coach/manager charges after one of us, we're told to put a hand out in front of us and shout in a firm, forceful voice, "WHOA!" We're also to let the coach/manager say his piece as long as it doesn't get too personal. If he swears or instigates contact, then we can give him the heave-ho. Otherwise (at least in the high school level), we can warn him. If he gets out of line again or further, then he's gone. We are not told to manhandle or instigate contact with a player or coach/manager to cause an ejection. What the video clearly showed in yesterday's game is the home-plate umpire leaned into Zambrano, which Zambrano instictively defended himself by brushing him off. Because of the defensive (not offensive) contact, Zambrano was shown the door. What that umpire should have done was stepped away from Zambrano, and then if Zambrano had gone after him, he would have been in the right to toss him. MLB should either reprimand or suspend that umpire for his actions. Zambrano, on the other hand, could either get a simple fine or a light suspension.

First off all you were a high school ump. No offense, but that's like a veterinnarian thinking they have something in common with an ER doctor.

Carlos was NOT defending himself. What a homer statememnt. He was over-aggressive in his hissy fit against the ump. Why do we think so low of the ump's that we think it's ok for him to be berrated like they are?

I understand that you guys are homers that can't stand back and see things fairly. But think about it this way. One adult man was simply doing his job(the ump), and made a CORRECT call on a tough play. Another adult man(Zambrano) yells and screams and gets in the ump's(an adult) face. Forget the bump. Why does Carlos have the right to get in another mans face like that? Why can't the ump defend himself? In what other job can a worker get in the face of a co-worker? Perspective people!

[Bims]

One last thing: Big Z's suspension isn't because of the bump. It's because he was excessive in his hissy fit. I know we all can laugh and say "way to go Big Z". But he ends up looking like an ass here. Not only for what he did, but the fact that the ump got the call CORRECT! I love how the behavior of rich athletes are excused, becuase society puts them on a pedestal.

And on the bump: An ump has the right to defend himself too. He's in a vulnerable spot, having another aggressive male in his face.