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Old Aug 7th 2009, 9:54 am
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Cards Ofers- 46 HRs 194 rbi

Cubs 43 HRs 140rbi
RBIs are nice but they are about 5/6th on a list of criteria and are as much a product of batting order and luck than anything, especially when the cubs have had an OF leading off.

BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

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Cubs 235/324/446/770
Cards 239/319/390/709

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Cubs 269/363/453/816
Cards 248/304/421/725

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Cubs 250/367/375/742
Cards 269/324/470/790

Translation: Even though two of the cubs regular OF have performed far below their career averages, up until this point, the Cubs OF have still outperformed the Cardinals at two of the three OF positions. the acquisition of Holliday obviously swings one of these in the CArds favor, but I'm betting on an improving Soriano and either an improving Bradley or Increased PT by Fox to keep at least mitigate alot of this..
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I agree that Soriano should improve, but how is RBI the 5th or 6th thing in production. I was really starting to like the OPS stat and understanding it more and then I look at Bradleys numbers. He has a pretty good OPS - really about ML average- but less than 30 RBI batting in a run producing spot in the order is ridiculous, not to mention less than 20 extra base hits.
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Who cares the NL Central is weak.... Whoever wins the division will be the only team in then get bounced in the first round by either Philly, Los Angeles, or either Colorado/San Fran. If San Fran makes it I think they could make a deep run because of their outstanding pitching.
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Who cares the NL Central is weak.... Whoever wins the division will be the only team in then get bounced in the first round by either Philly, Los Angeles, or either Colorado/San Fran. If San Fran makes it I think they could make a deep run because of their outstanding pitching.


Actually, it kind of scares me what Lou may do if we do make it. Obviously Wells has been our best P the last 3 months, but Im not sure he would be in my top 3 Ps for a series.
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I agree that Soriano should improve, but how is RBI the 5th or 6th thing in production.
I think of it as the stat that is more or less out of the hands of the batter when compared to on-base percentage (good eye) or extra base hits (power and speed) or even BA for some people that have that special ability to handle the bat well like Ichiro.

It's more of a team stat, and an indication of who is batting in front of and behind you in the batting order, as well as matchups on the field at that time, than you take into account the defensive skills of the team you play, such as if their OF has an arm or not, how adept our the opposing MIF at turning two, etc.

The good example is the low amount of RBIs in Derrek Lee's 2005 season, mainly because some combination of Niefi/Patterson was always batting in front of him, and it probably helped cost him the MVP trophy in terms of his RBI numbers.
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While RBI is a key stat for individual performance, you cant say a player is no good solely on RBI production. Your surrounding team has a lot to say about your RBI chances. Like it was noted above this post, if a player has few RBI chances, is it his fault if he has a low RBI total?

You could also use the same arguement for someone who hits behind a known RBI machine. If the guy before you drives in all the runs, you will be left with limited chances to drive in runs as well
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I can agree with this. All Im saying is give me the guy thats gonna hit .260 with 20 bombs and 80 rbi over the guy who is gonna hit ,310 with 5 HRs and 35 rbi. The same can be said about 2 players on our team- give me Soriano over Bradley or Theriot any day of the week. Bradley has to have the quietest OBP ever.
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