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Old Nov 17th 2011, 2:30 pm
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Didn't see that coming

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I thought it was really wierd that he didn't get offered the Milwaukee Job after leading them to the playoffs.

Maybe this helps the Cubs land Fielder??
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looking for 8 years- no to that
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looking for 8 years- no to that
That's his initial asking price, doesn't mean that's what he's going to get.

giving a 27-year old an 8-yr deal is alot different than giving a 31-yr old an 8 yeard deal. A hitters prime years are between 27-32.
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we don't need to even entertain another albatross contract. Build this thing right with kids. We have waited 104 years I am prepared to wait another 5 and sustain a winning formula FINALLY!
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ok so this guy took over a team already headed to the playoffs. They lost in the playoffs. After hearing this guy talk I don't see any difference from Sandburg.
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" ... I don't see any difference from Sandburg ... "


Is that good or bad, H-H ?
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we don't need to even entertain another albatross contract. Build this thing right with kids. We have waited 104 years I am prepared to wait another 5 and sustain a winning formula FINALLY!
Basicly with the new CBA it will be impossible to do what the Rays have done the last 5-6 years with multiple compensation picks and such.

The Cubs have maybe one minor leaguer who is projected as an everyday player right now the next 2-3 years (jackson), maybe two in Castillo and not top of the rotation starters except for maybe Cashner if he can ever throw more than 150 innings.

Yes, you build a foundation for longterm success by having a succesful farm system. But you win championships and compete year in and out with the right combination of Free agents, trade acquisitions, and fill in the gaps with young, cheap talent.

I don't think people realize how rare it is to be able to sign a young, elite hitter entering his prime years to a long-term deal. There is a HUGE difference between signing a 27 year old and 31 year old to 8-year deals. A balanced approach is what is needed, that and a front office that understands sample size and the new baseball economics. This is like an opportunity to sign Greg Maddux entering his prime in 1992. Teams are locking up hitters more in their prime years like Braun, Kemp, and Longoria. Simply put, with the small market teams trying to lock up their hitters through their arbitration years, there is simply no way of knowing when the next big hitter is going to become available. Additionally, if we're going to invest in the farm system, I'd rather just pay a player than have to trade for him at the deadline with top prospects and pay him and extension like Theo and the Red Sox just did to acquire Adrain Gonzalez and lock him up for an extension.
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Basicly with the new CBA it will be impossible to do what the Rays have done the last 5-6 years with multiple compensation picks and such.

The Cubs have maybe one minor leaguer who is projected as an everyday player right now the next 2-3 years (jackson), maybe two in Castillo and not top of the rotation starters except for maybe Cashner if he can ever throw more than 150 innings.

Yes, you build a foundation for longterm success by having a succesful farm system. But you win championships and compete year in and out with the right combination of Free agents, trade acquisitions, and fill in the gaps with young, cheap talent.

I don't think people realize how rare it is to be able to sign a young, elite hitter entering his prime years to a long-term deal. There is a HUGE difference between signing a 27 year old and 31 year old to 8-year deals. A balanced approach is what is needed, that and a front office that understands sample size and the new baseball economics. This is like an opportunity to sign Greg Maddux entering his prime in 1992. Teams are locking up hitters more in their prime years like Braun, Kemp, and Longoria. Simply put, with the small market teams trying to lock up their hitters through their arbitration years, there is simply no way of knowing when the next big hitter is going to become available. Additionally, if we're going to invest in the farm system, I'd rather just pay a player than have to trade for him at the deadline with top prospects and pay him and extension like Theo and the Red Sox just did to acquire Adrain Gonzalez and lock him up for an extension.
I totally agree.

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Its interesting to compare the two red sox rosters in 2004 and 2007.

2004 had almost no homegrown talent as major contributors, mainly Arroyo. 2007 had Pedroia, Youkilis, and Papelbon.

A number of moves were Matt Garza-like trades, such as Josh Beckett and David Ortiz, where Epstein traded prospects for players on small market teams entering their arbitration years and then locked them up to long-term contracts. Essentially he paid the price in a couple of prospects to obtain them when they were cheaper and then retained exclusive negotiating rights whent they became unrestricted free agents.

This is especially interesting because the Cubs seem to doing the opposite of those moves with Soto, Garza and Marmol now on the market offereing him up for a good prospect bundle in his last year or two of arbitration.

Until the moves start flying, I'm not sure anyone knows which direction Epstein is going to move.

We know a couple of things:
1) there won't be a hitter like Fielder on the market for a longtime as an unrestricted free agent
2) the pitching FA class next year has a lot of really good names
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