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Old Dec 18th 2011, 8:16 pm
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yea skullkey, I'm not sure if this is a rumor that somebody made up by connecting the dots out of boredom or if it has legs.

Hoystein seems to be placing a premium on players defense and baserunning in combination with on-base percentage, maybe this is a new undervalued area skillset?? Everybody loves good baserunning, but usually its limited to 1-2 guys per roster who are excellent baserunners. The more I think about that, the less likely I think they sign Fielder if it is for a length of contract more than 5 years based on what they've said.

Should be interesting, I'm wondering if the Cubs could trade Marmol/Garza to Texas with Feliz moving to the rotation or whoever loses the Darvish bid and then send those prospects to SD, so they don't weaken the Cubs already weak farm system.

If the Cubs arent going to spend big on FA this year, they could cover alot of Garza and MArmols salaries to ensure a better return on the quality of prospects.
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Old Dec 22nd 2011, 8:24 am
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Cubs trade Marshall to Reds

The Chicago Cubs and Cincinnati Reds have agreed to a trade in principle that will send pitcher Travis Wood and two minor-leaguers to the Cubs for left-handed reliever Sean Marshall, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The deal is pending physicals that have to be taken by all four players.
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An interesting trade in that Marshall is one of the best middle-relief set-up guys in the game. He will be missed. I know little about Wood; is he very good? He strikes me as a #3 starter so of guy. He's small (5-11 / 175) and quite young (24). He certainly doesn't seem to be an "innings-eater". His 2010 season was much more impressive than 2011, let's hope he can "regress". The key to the trade may be the 2 Minor League players acquired. I wonder who they are.

Is this trade intended to make another starter available for trade? Is the Matt Garza for Anthony Rizzo about to happen? Or did the Cubs simply decide they needed a left-handed starter badly enough to trade away one of the games best left-handed relief men? Who replaces Marshall?

More and more I think the 2 unnamed kids are the key. I wonder what positions they play and how good they are?

EDIT: I recall that Bruce Levine recently reported that the Cubs were negotiating with former Pirates 1st round pick and lefty Paul Laholm ( http://cubbiescrib.com/2011/12/16/pa...-and-the-cubs/ ). So it is with interest that I note that Baseball-Reference declares that Laholm is Travis Wood's "most-comparable by age". Hoy-Stein must like that type of pitcher. http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...aholpa01.shtml
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Wood has similar peripherals as Gio Gonzalez, just not the IP,W, or ERA to back them up. Wood will be cheap the next 2-3 years, at a minimum, hes probably like Randy Wells. Lets hope Bosio can help him turn into a top of the rotation talent.

one prospect is a Reed johnson type, the other is a MIF who was in their Top 10 I believe and scouts say he has a very good 'hit' tool.

Guys who could replace Marshall:

Jeff Beliveau (new 40-man addition, sick K#s in the minors) -
http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=belive001jef
Scott Maine (from Heilman Trade, who teams have asked about this offseason) -
http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=maine-001sco
John Gaub (DeRosa trade) - http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=gaub--001joh
Chris Rusin - http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=rusin-001chr
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Ronald Torreyes vs. Starlin Castro

Ronald Torreyes
Age 17 RK 370/434/564 5.6 BB% 4.5 K%
Age 18 A 356/398/457 4.6 BB% 6.2 K%


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Age 18 RK 311/364/464 6.5 BB% 15.3 K%
Age 19 A+-AA 299/342/392 5.6 BB% 10.4 K%
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Simply put.I dont like the moves so far.I can live with DeJesus,but the rest of the moves are lame.Just my two cents worth.Happy Mew Year(or not)
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Every move has shown how stupid the Garza trade was. We are trying to get back the same players.
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Every move has shown how stupid the Garza trade was. We are trying to get back the same players.
Please elaborate... On second thought, you won't... At least rationally. So I'll help ya!

Marshall, a player on the last year of his contract, who wouldn't sign an extension, and is going to make big bucks on the open market next off-season, was traded for a 24 year old, talented left handed starting pitcher, with 2 big league seasons under his belt. Wood is cheap, and will be under team control for 4 more years. What does that have to do with Matt Garza?

The Cubs then go on to get some nice prospects in return. All of this, for Sean Marshall.

What else? They still have Matt Garza! Teams are lining up to acquire Garza. He's worth more now with the Cubs, than he was last season when the Cubs traded for him. He is a HUGE asset!

The Garza trade has a success for the Cubs. You are going to have to come to terms with that!
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Simply put.I dont like the moves so far.I can live with DeJesus,but the rest of the moves are lame.Just my two cents worth.Happy Mew Year(or not)
I totally disagree...

I really like the Cubs low-risk/high reward signings of Sonnenstine and Corpas. Their contracts aren't fully guaranteed...so the Cubs won't be on the hook for real money if they don't pan out.

The Cubs went on to trade for upside players in Weathers and Stewart...for low ceiling players(Colvin, Flaherty).

The Cubs get a young, left-handed, cheap, talented started(with nice trade value), and 2 very good prospects, for Sean Marshall.

The Cubs sign David DeJesus, a solild veteran player, to a value contract.

Finally... The Cubs haven't waisted money on FAs!
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Please elaborate... On second thought, you won't... At least rationally. So I'll help ya!

Marshall, a player on the last year of his contract, who wouldn't sign an extension, and is going to make big bucks on the open market next off-season, was traded for a 24 year old, talented left handed starting pitcher, with 2 big league seasons under his belt. Wood is cheap, and will be under team control for 4 more years. What does that have to do with Matt Garza?

The Cubs then go on to get some nice prospects in return. All of this, for Sean Marshall.

What else? They still have Matt Garza! Teams are lining up to acquire Garza. He's worth more now with the Cubs, than he was last season when the Cubs traded for him. He is a HUGE asset!

The Garza trade has a success for the Cubs. You are going to have to come to terms with that!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...s-tuesday.html

Really ? You must be the only one that thinks it is a good idea to have a pitchers like him " under your control " for the next three years when your team won't be able to compete for the next three years.

Look at all of the production that was lost in the off season. Where are the Cubs going to get the 30 home runs and 150 RBI ? How many wins of the 71 did that account for and how many can we really expect next year ?
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