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Old Jun 16th 2011, 8:32 am
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Well, considering Baker is better than Barney it's not a bad idea.

296/316/343
235/278/235

Those are Barney's batting lines the last two months. I know Cub fans like gritty white guys who play the game the right way or whatever, but those numbers would hardly hold water for a defense-first shortstop on an AL team.
So you agree that trying to put together a team this year that doesn't suck so bad , is the right way to go ?

We should be looking to the future and finding out if any of these guys fit into our future plans . We know what Baker is and is an easy call .

The problem is this freaking organization has no plan for the future !!

I take offence to the whole gritty white guy crap . It is intimating that people are who like the white guy is racist . Where I find it as the person making that statement holds the opinion that blacks are predisposed to athletic pursuits. What reason is that Al ? Was it the intentional breeding of slaves or some idea of evolutionary mutation ?
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So you agree that trying to put together a team this year that doesn't suck so bad , is the right way to go ?

We should be looking to the future and finding out if any of these guys fit into our future plans . We know what Baker is and is an easy call .

The problem is this freaking organization has no plan for the future !!
No, but Barney is not the 2b/ss of the future, either. His batting line looks identical to his very pedastrian line in the minors. he's a cheap Aaron Miles off the bench with better defense.

Frenchy should be playing more, but the Cubs don't need really need to bring up younger guys until September. I'm not a fan of activating a prospect's MLB service clock until you have to. The cubs maybe have a handful of hitters that deserve a callup; Flaherty, Spencer, Clevenger, Ridling; that's about it and those guys are fringe prospects at best; maybe Flaherty might still be considered in the Cubs Top 10.

Sorry, but the Cubs have no player in their system like a Hosmer, Rizzo, Lawrie, or Moustakas, so it doesn't really matter they are not calling up prospects at this point. If the Cubs had actual high-end talent in the high minor leagues it would be different, but they don't.
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Right , Blake DeWitt is the future .

Barney is 2' shorter and 5lbs heavier than Nyjer Morgan . They play the same damn game with the same skill set but Barney doesn't share Morgan's hue so we count him out in his rookie YEAR !

I guess the first place Brewers like those 4 A players , they do have McGehee at third.

Ohh , that is last year team MVP McGehee !
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Wow talk about generalizations

a) Morgan has a far better walk rate, is faster, and a far better baserunner, and hits far more power. Show me some numbers that show Barney is a similar player. Barney's skillset and ceiling is closer to Aaron Miles, or maybe Neifi Perez since Neifi had better defense

b) I'm not discounting Barney based on his rookie year. It based on his offensive performance in the minors as a polished College level hitter, which was mediocre at all measures at almost every level. If people thought he would keep playing at his level earlier in the year they obviously didn't pay attention to him in the minors.

c) McGeHee always seems to be your comeback point for discussions like this. Get over it. Besides he's been horrid this year (worse than the whipping boy Ramirez)

I never said DeWitt is the future. But he's not that much worse than Barney considering they are the SAME AGE.

Blake DeWitt - DOB 8/20/1985
Darwin BArney - DOB 11/8/1985

They are both similar hitters in my opinion. Actually DeWitt might be the better offensive player. The DL stint couldn't have come at a better time for Barney, as his offense was going down the toilet for the second straight month and he needed time off.
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Judging by what we are learning from our minor league players , all numbers coming from the system don't mean crap.

It is obvious that there are no defined roles , fundamentals are ignored and there is no such thing as situational hitting being taught .

They are being taught to be " aggressive at the plate " , all that does is put up some quick avg. numbers and nothing else. It may work if you are like the Sox and just use your minors to off set the acquisition price of ready player but worthless if you plan on building from the farm.
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I know Cub fans like gritty white guys who play the game the right way
I'm not sure Barney has any white in him...he's Korean and Japanese.
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You are one of those guys who projects all his frustration toward something(The Cubs play, this season), on a paticular, small aspect of it(Blake DeWitt), for which you have bias, negative feelings for. Blake DeWitt has not been a problem on this team...get over it!

Darwin Barney is NOT an everyday player... He's a super utility player, off the bench. What in his .321 OBP, .359 SLG, .679 OPS, has Cubs fans creaming their pants?

Sam Fuld's line: .234/.284/.354/.639

Casey McGehee's line: .230/.287/.326/.612
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Your hero Soto's line .220 .307 .384

what's the freaking difference ?

Look at the lines on these Cub games that have been won. They have been a result of good pitching good defense and speed on the bases forcing errors and great situational hitting .
Putting in Johnson as a defense replacement , changed that game yesterday .

Baseball is returning to that of the 70's and the first team that rebuilds in that fashion will dominate.

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You are one of those guys who projects all his frustration toward something(The Cubs play, this season), on a paticular, small aspect of it(Blake DeWitt), for which you have bias, negative feelings for. Blake DeWitt has not been a problem on this team...get over it!
WHO THE F**K are you kidding ??? You have beat on a back up catcher who has proven himself every time he has been tested for how freaking long ????
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Your hero Soto's line .220 .307 .384

what's the freaking difference ?

Look at the lines on these Cub games that have been won. They have been a result of good pitching good defense and speed on the bases forcing errors and great situational hitting .
Putting in Johnson as a defense replacement , changed that game yesterday .

Baseball is returning to that of the 70's and the first team that rebuilds in that fashion will dominate.

As for WHO THE F**K are you kidding ??? You have beat on a back up catcher who has proven himself every time he has been tested for how freaking long ????
Soto has been injured...watch his line at the end of the season...

Only you couldn't understand the difference... Hill is an awful player, and takes up a spot on the roster that could be occupied by a good, young catcher(Castillo). Oh, and because you BLOW Hill. You wanted him moved to 3B to "keep his bat in the lineup"...that's why!
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You are an idiot . I have searched your post and still have yet to find one that educates . Every post you made on prediction to player values to trades , are complete idiocy !!
Wrong wrong wrong and wrong ,

Soto is always injured , but I guess he is the only one that ever gets a pass. You keep blowing Soto's pipe.
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