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Old Jul 16th 2011, 1:09 pm
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Your post is pure hindsight,but that is OK...what I don't like is the insulting signature ...about "retarded" fans.
Not really, we've been talking about Marmol, closers, and his contract for awhile on these points since the beginning of the year:

a) the best time to trade Marmol (when his value was highest) and get the best prospects back was before he signed his extension. His value is now at his lowest.

b) Closers have short lives....what's Joe Nathan, Brandon Lyon and Brian Fuentes up to these days??? Most closers don't last in their role more than two years and their high contracts are due purely to the extremely overrated save statistic. Multi-year contracts to relievers are stupid anyway....Mike Remlinger, LaTroy Hawkins, Scott Eyre, John Grabow etc., most of the time they don't work out. getting a guy like Howry (who most cub fans seemed to hate anyway) that actually works out is pretty rare. The best relievers and ones who have the longest careers generally have the best control.

c) 70-win teams that are signing guys like Dave Bush, Ramon Ortiz, Joe Schmoe off the street don't need $10 million dollar closers

d) Marmol's violent delivery and mechanics would lead you to believe he may have arm problems in the future....this has yet to be determined, but his average fastball velocity has gone down this year and he has changed the mix of pitches.

I think you legitimately pick any of those points as to why Marmol's contract was stupid, but people have been brining these up well before his July troubles.

Lets hope Marmol figures it out or else whoever is GM next year is going to have another ugly contract to sort out and handicap him in trying to rebuild the team.
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OK,you got me convinced.A 70(or less)win team does not need a 10 million closer.
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Your post is pure hindsight,but that is OK...what I don't like is the insulting signature ...about "retarded" fans.
1) The notion that my post was made in hindsight, is an attempt by you to hide from the fact that you were wrong... Look at the date of my post about Marmol... It was WELL before his recent struggles.

2) Nothing I said in my post was insulting. Stop acting like a baby, talk baseball, and man up!
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I submit that people who call others retarded are lacking some "brain power" themselves.Go sell your missionary zeal somewhere else.
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I don't know if Mars ( quadified ) current performances will really effect his trade value that much. Being that he can't spot his fastball , that is something that most pitching coaches believe they can fix but the reason I think he can't spot it is because of his crazy hodgepodge mechanics , which will scare most teams.

As with all relief pitchers , who the hell knows . They have the weird ability to completely suck one month then be lights out the next.
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I don't know if Mars ( quadified ) current performances will really effect his trade value that much. Being that he can't spot his fastball , that is something that most pitching coaches believe they can fix but the reason I think he can't spot it is because of his crazy hodgepodge mechanics , which will scare most teams.
We're seeing the differences in abilities between Mark Riggins and Larry Rothchild.
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We're seeing the differences in abilities between Mark Riggins and Larry Rothchild.
And about 20 pounds, by the look of Marmol's gut.
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Of all of the great draft picks the Cubs picked , they have signed absolutely zero of them to contracts !!!

It is July 22nd .
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Of all of the great draft picks the Cubs picked , they have signed absolutely zero of them to contracts !!!

It is July 22nd .
From what I've read the commisioners office sits and keeps a lid on on significant overslot signings until right before the deadline to control size of bonuses and such. The Cubs just spent $3 million on 3 of the top 30 Latin American first-year eligible players. I'm not too concerned about signing draft picks, especially if the Cubs free up some $$ around the trade deadline.

first 30 or so rounds, signed guys are in bold, and a few are already playing as high as Peoria (mainly the 3-4 year college guys)

Javier Baez, SS, Arligton Country Day HS (Jacksonville, FL)
Dan Vogelbach, 1B, Bishop Verot HS (Ft. Myers, FL)
Zeke DeVoss, CF/2b - NWL
Tony Zych, RHP, Louisville
Tayler Scott, RHP, Notre Dame Prep HS (Scottsdale, AZ)
Neftali Rosario, C - AZL
Trevor Gretzky, 1B
Taylor Dugas, OF/LHP
09.0279 Garrett Schlect, OF, Waterloo HS (Waterloo, IL)
Daniel Lockhart, SS, Hebron Christian Academy (Dacula, GA)
Shawon Dunston Jr, OF, Valley Christian HS (San Jose, CA)
Jacob Lindgren, LHP, St. Stainslaus HS (Bay St. Louis, MS)
Dillon Maples, RHP, Pinecrest HS (Southern Pines, NC)
Justin Marra, C, Power/St. Joseph HS (Toronto, ON)
Rafael Lopez, C -AZL
John Andreoli, OF, Connecticut
James Pugilese (RHP)-AZL
Paul Hoilman (1b)-NWL
Benjamin Klafczynski (OF)- A-
Andrew McKirahan, LHP
Ethan Elias, RHP
23.0699 Bradley Zimmer, OF, La Jolla HS (San Diego, CA)
24.0729 George Asmus, RHP, Ohlone JC (CA)
25.0759 Rhoderick Shoulders, 1B, State JC of Florida
26.0789 Michael Jensen, RHP, Hartnell JC (CA)
Taiwan Easterling (OF) - A-
28.0849 Chris Garrison, RHP, Western Nevada CC
29.0879 Drew Weeks, 3B, Clay HS (Green Cove Springs, FL)
Arturo Maltos-Garcia (RHP) - NWL3
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Some guy at bleed cubbie blue is claiming the cubs signed Duntson, Maples, and Urban.

Presuming the commish is sitting on deals for Baez and Vogelbach, the Cubs probably had the strongest draft of any MLB team.

Kudos to Ricketts for keeping his promise and spending on amateur talent. Consider me alittle less skeptical. IMO the next most pressing problem besides the obvious team talent level, GM, and manager is developing a long-term plan for keeping Wrigley viable.

Maybe this isn't viable, but I'd commit to rebuild (not compete) for a year, work out an agreement with Nortwestern to play there for a year while the grandstand is torn down and a new one constructed. I'd definitely preserve the outside facade of Wrigley and resinstall it after construction. Wrigleyville might not like it, but I'd maybe work out an agreement to drop the ticket prices by putting an extra 5-10,000 people in the seats.

I'm no project manager or engineer or maybe I'm just hopped up on coffee, but anyway that's what I would do. It seems the Cubs could still draw a good crowd from the Northern Suburbs for a year.
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