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Old Oct 1st 2011, 1:15 pm
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Darwin Barney

Is the perfect example of why the Cubs continue to struggle. These silly 'intangible' players, who don't produce.

.276/.313/.353
9 SB
2 HR
66 R
22 BB, in 570 PA

Yikes!!!
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Old Oct 2nd 2011, 12:06 am
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Unfortunately still the Cubs best option for 2b for 2012
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Unfortunately still the Cubs best option for 2b for 2012
I would welcome ANY other option. Let LeMahieu give it a try. Flaherty. Heck, do the DeWitt/Baker platoon.

Barney was simply horrible from May on - the worst offensive second baseman regular in all of baseball. And he was near the top of the league in errors, too.

He's a smart guy, a great teammate, and a swell hustler. But he's not a big league starter.
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His first year. I am NOT saying he is Ryno , but he still performed better than Ryno did in his first year. I say the book is still open on Barney.

I have seen too many times that guys get eveluated wrong on teams like the Cubs this year. Bad manger , bad pitching , poor hitting , and lousy baserunning all around him .
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Old Oct 4th 2011, 12:02 pm
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His first year. I am NOT saying he is Ryno , but he still performed better than Ryno did in his first year. I say the book is still open on Barney.

I have seen too many times that guys get eveluated wrong on teams like the Cubs this year. Bad manger , bad pitching , poor hitting , and lousy baserunning all around him .
No he didn't!

Ryno was only 22 in his first season with the Cubs. In that season, Ryno slugged .372, with 45 extra base hits, 36 BB, 103 R, 32 SB, and very good defense.

Barney was 25 this past season. Barney slugged .353, with 31 extra base hits, 22 BB, 66 R, 9 SB, and inconsistent defense.
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I would welcome ANY other option. Let LeMahieu give it a try. Flaherty. Heck, do the DeWitt/Baker platoon.

Barney was simply horrible from May on - the worst offensive second baseman regular in all of baseball. And he was near the top of the league in errors, too.

He's a smart guy, a great teammate, and a swell hustler. But he's not a big league starter.
I was being a realist

LeMahieu is not much better offensively. Even less walks, worse defense, and apparently no power. granted I didn't watch any games (flame away banks) but everyone who knows anything about baseball mechanics basicly implied D.J. would be a slappy singles hitter if he didn't change his swing. I'd rather have a guy like that adjusting his swing against crappy AAA pitching.

Flaherty it seems has moved off 2b. I know Iowa tried Marquez Smith there to begin the year at AAA but they moved him off.

Now I certainly don't think Barney is more than a fulltime player or a long-term solution, but I think there a bigger holes on the team than 2b. I'd still bet he'd sport a decent OPS with a manager that actually 'managed' his playing time, maybe getting him 450 PA throughout an entire year and spotting him consistent rest time against tough righties, etc.
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His first year. I am NOT saying he is Ryno , but he still performed better than Ryno did in his first year. I say the book is still open on Barney.

I have seen too many times that guys get eveluated wrong on teams like the Cubs this year. Bad manger , bad pitching , poor hitting , and lousy baserunning all around him .
NM - Banks posted my exact same thoughts.

Age is a huge factor when comparing young players.
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WOW I must be old , thinking 3 years is not that big of a deal and after raising children and seeing each mature physically and emotionally at different ages .


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I think this has more to do with his performance than most people believe . I think we are on the same page here.

Like the thread is titled , this season was an abortion and all we do know for sure is why Quade was a minor league lifer.
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WOW I must be old , thinking 3 years is not that big of a deal and after raising children and seeing each mature physically and emotionally at different ages .
That period of time is a huge deal for player developement. Do you think people would be raving about Castro if he were putting up the same numbers at 24/25??

It's not just the players numbers, you're talking about alot of physical maturity and muscle growth, and improved hand-eye coordination, etc. between the ages of 21-25. So two players ages 21/25 putting up the same numbers should not be regarded as equal. I can't remember if Barney forewent his last year of eligibility, but playing a couple of years for a big college program like Oregon State is akin to a couple of more years of A/A+ ball type competition, as opposed to Ryno who was a high school draftee.

Theriot is a much closer and accurate comp to Barney. Theriot probably would have been in the majors earlier had it not been for the Cubs stupid switch-hitting experiment and the fact the Cubs had 800 middle infieldes on their 25-man roster during the height of the Dusty Baker era.
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