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Old Jan 30th 2008, 8:00 am
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Santana/Bedard

I'm feeling a little queezy. It looks like Bedard is going to Seattle pending Angelos' approval. And what really makes me sick is Santana going to the Mets. I realize that the Mets are in a different division, but how can the Cubs let the Mets get him? 4 prospects. Don't the Cubs have 4 prospects to offer? I say this because of another issue...Brian Roberts.

According to Steve Stone on the SCORE last Thursday, McPhail is asking for 5 or 6 guys for Roberts. He said that they would get close to a 5 for 2 (Bedard would be involved) and then McPhail would say...well if you add... So I don't know if Roberts will become a CUB. So we are stuck with Alfonso "Don't make me take a pitch" Soriano at the top of the order. Despite adding Fukodome, the offense isn't much better.
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Old Jan 30th 2008, 8:12 am
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You could look at it, though, too, that Hendry can say, "Look, the Mets got Santana for 4 prospects....FOR SANTANA.... and you want WHAT? for Roberts?????" It could be to where the trade with Santana just lowered the bar for the trading market. Granted, these prospects are high ceiling top name prospects, but in the overall trading market, you can't come close to comparing Santana and Roberts. This may have given Hendry a break in the trading negotiations where he may be able to pull off a Roberts deal without giving away the farm.
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Old Jan 30th 2008, 8:29 am
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Well before a trade goes down for Santana, the team acquiring him has to take into account how his 20-25 mil per year for 6-7 years fits into their budget. I'm not sure the Cubs have 20-25 mil. per year more to spend against their budget. The budget is why the Cubs didn't have interest in Santana,not the prospects it would cost. They have the prospects.
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I'm feeling a little queezy. It looks like Bedard is going to Seattle pending Angelos' approval. And what really makes me sick is Santana going to the Mets. I realize that the Mets are in a different division, but how can the Cubs let the Mets get him? 4 prospects. Don't the Cubs have 4 prospects to offer? I say this because of another issue...Brian Roberts.
Like Trueblue said, Payroll is the #1 issue.

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According to Steve Stone on the SCORE last Thursday, McPhail is asking for 5 or 6 guys for Roberts. He said that they would get close to a 5 for 2 (Bedard would be involved) and then McPhail would say...well if you add... So I don't know if Roberts will become a CUB. So we are stuck with Alfonso "Don't make me take a pitch" Soriano at the top of the order. Despite adding Fukodome, the offense isn't much better.
Theriot and Pie are the players to worry about. Fukudome somewhat, Soto not too much.

Soriano is fine. He led the team in Total bases by a large margin and runs scored and he missed 25+ games with leg injuries which affected (at least in the opinions of many people) a significant part of his game. When you look at guys who spent the majority of the year batting #1(400+AB) Soriano is top 3 in most of the categories.

The lead-off thing has been beaten to death, but I see the acquisition of Roberts more as an upgrade over DeRosa, insurance against poor performance (Theriot/Pie) and to give Lou more flexibility in the everday lineup, and to give Fukudome a day off when he needs it.
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Angelos looks more of a moron than I thought,if there was a 7 -2 trade for Bedard and Roberts with the Cubs,we would have given them way better prospects and proven players in return,look at even what Mariners are offering for Bedard,no question,Cubs have better players.
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I'm feeling a little queezy. It looks like Bedard is going to Seattle pending Angelos' approval. And what really makes me sick is Santana going to the Mets. I realize that the Mets are in a different division, but how can the Cubs let the Mets get him? 4 prospects. Don't the Cubs have 4 prospects to offer? I say this because of another issue...Brian Roberts.

According to Steve Stone on the SCORE last Thursday, McPhail is asking for 5 or 6 guys for Roberts. He said that they would get close to a 5 for 2 (Bedard would be involved) and then McPhail would say...well if you add... So I don't know if Roberts will become a CUB. So we are stuck with Alfonso "Don't make me take a pitch" Soriano at the top of the order. Despite adding Fukodome, the offense isn't much better.
I personally feel like the deal that the Twins took caught everyone off guard. I don't think they had any intention of sending Santana to a AL team. The $ is a big deal but maybe Hendry saw what was being offered by the Sox and Yanks and figured what is the point. The trade hopefully makes the Mariners feel stupid cause the prospects that are proposed in their trade for Bedard are, to many, superior to those given up by the Mets for SAntana. At this point I really hope Hendry just stops dealing with the Orioles cause I no longer see the vast difference it is going to make in the lineup. I would rather him try to work a deal for Kahlil Greene and keep Derosa at 2nd. I see Greene as a much bigger upgrade over Theriot than I do Roberts over Derosa. On top of that Towers doesn't have his head up his A$$ nearly as far as McFail and Angelos.
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Oh yeah, if they went after Blanton, that would make sense too. I have heard that the A's aren't even gonna be serious about that until the trading deadline though. I personally think we should be done with the Orioles.
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Angelos looks more of a moron than I thought,if there was a 7 -2 trade for Bedard and Roberts with the Cubs,we would have given them way better prospects and proven players in return,look at even what Mariners are offering for Bedard,no question,Cubs have better players.
Define 'Better'

Adam Jones >>> Pie as the centerpiece of the trade.

MAriners deal has younger players who have higher upsides than those of the Cubs deal (at least the names that have been battered around)

At some point, the Orioles have to take into consideration players that need to be on the 40-man roster.

For example, the following Cubs are on the 40-man (of the names batted around in the Orioles talks)

Gallagher, Marmol, Marquis, Marshall, Murton, Cedeno, Patterson, Fuld, Pie

I'm not sure about the Mariners situation, but if it is only 4/5 players and they are younger, then the trade is more favorable to their current situation.
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Define 'Better'

Adam Jones >>> Pie as the centerpiece of the trade.

MAriners deal has younger players who have higher upsides than those of the Cubs deal (at least the names that have been battered around)

At some point, the Orioles have to take into consideration players that need to be on the 40-man roster.

For example, the following Cubs are on the 40-man (of the names batted around in the Orioles talks)

Gallagher, Marmol, Marquis, Marshall, Murton, Cedeno, Patterson, Fuld, Pie

I'm not sure about the Mariners situation, but if it is only 4/5 players and they are younger, then the trade is more favorable to their current situation.
Rich Hill,Gallager,Cedeno,Murton,Marshall and Pie,these players are better or worth more than those Mariners are willing to part with.
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Rich Hill,Gallager,Cedeno,Murton,Marshall and Pie,these players are better or worth more than those Mariners are willing to part with.
Yea, but the point is that all the Cubs players you just mentioned

A) have to be on the 40-man active
B) are older, closer to FA, and have less of a ceiling than the Mariners (except Hill obviously)

So what the O's are trading for is 1/2 guys that can be on the active roster, and 3/4 guys that will be ready in a couple of years.

Don't forget, the O's already did a 5/6:1 (can't remember) deal for Tejada. They don't have unlimited space on their active roster to stash the guys rumored to be in the Cubs deal.

From a pure-talent standpoint, you're probably right in that there would be as much, if not more talent in the Cubs deal. From a value standpoint for a team looking to be competive in 2-3 years, the Mariners deal suits that purpose better.
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